Interview with Andrew R. Roszak, Senior Director, Environmental Health, Pandemic Preparedness & Catastrophic Response, and Gabriella B. Klaes, ORISE Fellow, Public Health Law Program, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Andrew R. Roszak
Title: Senior Director, Environmental Health, Pandemic Preparedness & Catastrophic Response
Education: Southern Illinois University, Juris Doctorate, Masters of Public Administration
Gabriella B. Klaes
Title: ORISE Fellow, Public Health Law Program, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Education: Georgia State University College of Law, Juris Doctorate; University of Georgia, Bachelor of Journalism in public relations
PHLN: Please describe your career path to your current respective positions and responsibilities.
Roszak: Well, it certainly wasn’t something I had planned. My professional career began in the southern suburbs of Chicago where I served as a firefighter/paramedic/hazmat technician for seven years. In 2005, I decided to pursue graduate/law school at Southern Illinois University where I ended up receiving my J.D. and M.P.A. During my time at Southern, I had numerous opportunities to learn more about health law. I was also given the opportunity to work at the Illinois Department of Public Health in the Office of Health Protection. After graduating, I was selected as a 2008–2009 David Winston Health Policy fellow. I served as a Winston fellow during the healthcare reform efforts of the 110th and 111th Congresses, serving on the Budget and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committees. After the fellowship, I served as a senior advisor at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) at the Health Resources and Services Administration and at HHS’s Emergency Care Coordination Center. In 2012, I had the opportunity to join the National Association of County and City Health Officials (NACCHO) and now serve as their senior director for Environmental Health, Pandemic Preparedness and Catastrophic Response. NACCHO serves as the voice for the country’s 2,800 local health departments and helps advance public health by providing tools, resources, technical assistance, and support to the health departments throughout the country.
Klaes: I studied public relations in the Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication at the University of Georgia. I had some great experiences honing my writing and communications skills through various internships, including being an account intern for Sony Pictures at Allied in Atlanta. I always had a passion for political science and the legal system, so I went on to receive my juris doctorate from Georgia State University College of Law. While in law school, I externed for CDC’s Office of General Counsel and never wanted to leave. I am currently an ORISE Fellow in the Public Health Law Program and Radiation Studies Branch.
PHLN: What drew you to public health law and, more specifically, emergency preparedness public health law?
Roszak: Given my background as a firefighter and paramedic, I was naturally drawn to preparedness law. I often think back to my time as a first responder and recall the many questions that seemingly had no answers—liability concerns, issues surrounding duty to act, guardianship, right to refuse medical treatment, privacy concerns around sharing of data, etc. As I experienced firsthand, many times our first responders do not have ready access to legal counsel, thus leaving many questions unanswered. What I enjoy best about my current position is the opportunity to help fill this gap.
Klaes: My grandfather was one of the first individuals to contract the West Nile virus and survive. My family’s experience during his recovery sparked my interest in public health and medicine. During my legal education, I became fascinated with the intertwined relationship between public health and legal rights, and their impact on general welfare and disease prevention. I believe public health law is a catalyst to make positive change, which drew me to emergency preparedness law.
PHLN: Do you consider yourself a public health law practitioner? If so, in what ways is your job related to public health law?
Roszak: I do consider myself a public health law practitioner. As we’ve seen over the past few decades, the definition of legal practitioner has drastically expanded to include more than just our colleagues who practice law day-to-day in the court room. We enjoy an outstanding public health law program here at NACCHO. As the national organization for local public health, we have the privilege of being able to look out across the country, identify trends, and see what legal issues and trends are facing local public health departments. One of the ways that we’re able to keep a pulse on the legal public health landscape is through our Public Health Law Workgroup. The Workgroup is made up of public health law practitioners from across the country. We meet monthly to discuss new and emerging issues, provide situational awareness, and provide technical assistance.
Klaes: Yes, I do consider myself a public health law practitioner. For example, the Radiation Legal Preparedness project, which I’m currently working on with CDC and NACCHO, focuses on issues that have never been addressed before in legal research: the ability to restrict the movement and decontaminate individuals contaminated or potentially contaminated with radioactive materials. Understanding a jurisdiction’s public health laws prior to a radiological incident may help legally confine the spread of radioactive contamination, quicken response and recovery efforts within authorized parameters, and save lives.
PHLN: What projects are you currently working on and how did you begin working together?
Roszak: I’m very privileged to have such a wide array of topics under my portfolio. I am also very fortunate in that I get to work daily with subject matter experts at the local level, along with experts at CDC, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), U.S. Food and drug Administration (FDA), and the National Library of Medicine (NLM). My current portfolio includes a wide range of topics, including radiation and chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRNE) incidents, climate change, health and disability, medical countermeasures, pandemic preparedness and food safety to name a few. Recently, we just held the 2014 Preparedness Summit, a yearly event that brings together 1,800 preparedness professionals from across the world. This year the Summit featured at least one session each day examining radiological incidents, a reflection on how important this topic has become to the preparedness community. In addition, many of our public health law workgroup members were involved in a session which examined hot legal topics in preparedness, which examined Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, volunteer liability, radiation legal preparedness, training judges on public health principles and practice and offered a sneak peak at CDC’s Public Health Emergency Law Competency Model.
Klaes: We are currently working on a radiation legal preparedness educational facilities study. The project focuses on school legal liabilities and response efforts following a release of radioactive material. Recently, we held an exercise in El Paso, Texas, where we met with school personnel, emergency responders, health department officials, and other stakeholders to hold a tabletop exercise. The exercise focused on the response and recovery efforts during the first three hours following a nuclear detonation.
PHLN: What is a radiological incident?
Roszak: A number of different types of incidents could be considered radiological incidents—acts of terrorism, such as a dirty bomb or a radiological exposure device, nuclear power plant incidents, and localized transportation incidents. These events are typically small in scale, especially when compared to a nuclear incident.
Klaes: A radiological incident is any incident that involves the release of radioactive material. It can be a large-scale incident such as a nuclear power plant emergency, dirty bomb, or terrorist attack. Also, a radiological release can result from a small-scale incident such as spilled waste or a faulty medical treatment.
PHLN: What is the difference between a radiological incident and a nuclear or radiological emergency?
Roszak: A nuclear incident involves a nuclear detonation; all other incidents are called radiological incidents. For example, an incident at a power plant would be called a radiological incident, because there is not a detonation. A detonation is a true catastrophic event, which would overwhelm first responders and cause severe disruptions to our critical infrastructure and society. Elevating an incident to an emergency normally requires a formal declaration by a government entity. Depending on who declares an emergency, certain legal requirements may disappear or be relaxed.
Klaes: A nuclear or radiological emergency differs from a radiological incident in that an emergency must be formally declared by the appropriate authority within the affected jurisdiction as either a state emergency declaration or public health emergency declaration. In some jurisdictions, an emergency declaration or public health emergency declaration may trigger laws that expand or clarify the authority to involuntarily decontaminate or restrict the movement of individuals.
PHLN: What was the impetus behind studying laws related to responding to radiological incidents?
Roszak: There is a growing recognition of the amount of radiological materials in our lives every day. Each day, nearly 60,000 individuals receive nuclear medicine treatments, and radiation sources can be found in a wide array of locations, from hospitals to trains, planes, and automobiles. As recent incidents in Brazil, China, Japan, and Mexico have shown, preparedness officials need to be aware of the potential for radiological accidents, thefts and terrorism.
Klaes: After a recent incident in Japan involving the release of radioactive material, CDC determined the need to examine current legal authority concerning the management of and response to incidents involving radioactive contamination. Specifically, CDC had questions about state and local government authority within the United States to decontaminate and restrict the movement of individuals posing a potential threat to public health as a result of being contaminated with radioactive material.
PHLN: How are radiological incident laws related to public health?
Roszak: We recognize that any radiological incident will prompt a multi-disciplinary response. Each responding agency will have their particular role, from Emergency Medical Services (EMS) with medical treatment to fire with suppression and search and rescue activities, to law enforcement with securing the scene and conducting criminal investigations. Public health also has a key role to play: ensuring that the public’s health, water, and food are as safe as possible. Many public health organizations are first responders in hazardous materials incidents. In particular, during radiation incidents many local health departments will work closely with their Medical Reserve Corps units to set up and establish community reception centers, locations where the public can be screened for and decontaminated from radiation.
Klaes: Individuals who are contaminated with radioactive materials can spread the material to others, simply by coming into contact with another individual. Depending on the jurisdiction, radioactive contamination control laws may grant the authority to restrict the movement of these individuals and decontaminate individuals who refuse to comply with first responders.
PHLN: Can you give an example of how these laws would be used?
Roszak: As with everything in the law, advance planning and knowledge is key. Imagine a scenario where you need to wake up a judge to sign an isolation order at 3 a.m. for someone who is contaminated with radiation. Clearly, you had better be able to point to where your authority for this order derives from. Unfortunately, our findings indicate that some states do not have this authority; the isolation authority is limited to only to communicable or biologic diseases. Having this advanced knowledge and working proactively with state legislators to address these gaps will ensure a more prepared community.
Klaes: If a radiological incident were to occur, responders could rely on authorities granted to prevent ingress and egress within a certain area contaminated with radioactive material. Further, laws may provide the authority to involuntarily decontaminate those who came in contact with the contaminated material.
PHLN: What are some unique issues that should be considered when planning for radiological incident response?
Roszak: Like in other areas of preparedness, pre-planning is key. The time for exchanging business cards is not during a disaster. Communities that are well prepared strive to build and maintain partnerships on a daily basis. While we should all strive to an all-hazards approach, we do recognize that there will be some unique considerations around radiological incidents. Radiation is scary to many people—you can’t see it, taste it, eat it, touch it—this creates a lot of anxiety among the public. Therefore, we recognize that most of our unique challenges will revolve around communicating with the public. Fortunately, there have been a few guides developed by the federal government to examine how best to communicate with the public. For example, in June 2013, FEMA produced Improvised Nuclear Device Response and Recovery: Communicating in the Immediate Aftermath [PDF - 1.1MB] and “Communicating During and after a Nuclear Power Plant Incident [PDF - 4.22MB].”
Klaes: In terms of legal issues, many states and local jurisdictions use isolation and quarantine laws to authorize decontamination and restriction of movement of individuals. These provisions are historically embedded with infectious and contagious disease control language and may not be applicable to incidents involving radiation because radiation is not a biologic. Therefore, these provisions may not survive judicial review.
PHLN: How do you foresee this area of public health law changing in the future?
Roszak: It is our hope that this project will increase awareness of the potential gaps that currently exist in state laws. Through this knowledge, we anticipate state legislatures proactively amending state statutes to provide the legal authority necessary to isolate, decontaminate or restrict the movement of individuals contaminated or potentially contaminated with radiation.
Klaes: A response to an incident involving contamination with radioactive material is a multidisciplinary effort involving law enforcement personnel, local health department representatives, radiation subject matter experts, legal representatives, and other stakeholders. It will be important for state and local jurisdictions to have comprehensive conversations about their legal authorities with stakeholders before a radiation incident occurs to help ensure a successful response.
PHLN: If you weren’t working in public health law, what would you likely be doing?
Roszak: If I weren’t working in public health law, I would likely be working in a related field, such as emergency preparedness or planning.
Klaes: I like working with people and problem solving, so I would probably be using my communications background in public affairs or in a court room litigating.
PHLN: Have you read any good books lately?
Roszak: A few months back, I read the book Five Days at Memorial by Sheri Fink. The book examined Memorial hospital’s response to Hurricane Katrina. Many legal and ethical lines were blurred, as healthcare providers sought to provide care with scarce resources and failing infrastructure. The book was very moving and I had a chance to meet the author at the 2014 Preparedness Summit where was the keynote speaker.
Klaes: I recently read The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho. It is a thought-provoking fable and a great book for anyone who likes to travel.
PHLN: Is there anything you would like to add?
Roszak: Radiation doesn’t have to be a scary subject. There are many wonderful resources to help educate you on radiation. CDC’s Radiation Studies Branch recently launched an entirely redesigned website that contains a wealth of knowledge—everything from videos on radiation basics to infographics.